**Updated 3/16/09**
I would never have self-identified as someone who was 'too outspoken' ... outspoken, yes, but *too* outspoken? I would never have pegged myself as someone to be viewed as a threat of any kind. I try to treat others with kindness, encouragement, and love. I try to treat others as I'd prefer to be treated. However, if someone treats me unkindly, that doesn't mean I respond with anger and vitriol. I prefer to let respond with kindness or at least civility and then let those people alone. I don't need to add to their misery and suffering, because there's obviously something like that under the surface.
So it was a shock for me to find out I'm too radical for Ravelry.
Oh, how to begin?
Yesterday I got up with the pups ... fed 'em, gave Vi her
pill (she's up to 1.5 in the a.m. and 1 in the evening to keep her seizures at
bay) and sat down to do some blogging. Did that, then went to check with my
friends at The Bunker. But first, I logged onto Ravelry.com, which was
commonplace ... I check both places daily. But there was a problem when I went
to log on at Ravelry ... I was redirected to an error page that said
simply:
Error 403 - Forbidden
No warning, no nuthin' .... I'm too conservative for
Ravelry, but that's OK with me. I'll wear it as a badge of honor. I was getting
more and more disillusioned with the cesspool anyway.
For those that haven't been keeping up, Ravelry used to be
just a fiber arts community-type website. It has morphed into a site with
"groups" for everything from people who like certain TV shows, to
those who have particular affection for their pets or their pet cause, to
people proud of their ethnic, religious, or political affiliations ... to those
that proudly proclaim themselves to be Lazy, Stupid & Godless (a.k.a.
"LSG") ... their parents must be ever so proud. There's even a group
that calls themselves "Ravelry Rubberneckers" (a.k.a. "RR")
who supposedly try not to antagonize people in other groups by actually
participating in said groups ... instead, they direct their friends and
co-horts to whatever groups has come to their attention through various means
... and then they make fun of the people involved in their own group's
discussion pages. Nice, huh?.
The Bunker wasn't originally "The Bunker" ... it
was originally a group started on Ravelry.com started by good friend and Bunker
Babe EllieJane, who'd been "textually harassed" in a supposedly
conservative group by moderators who were supposedly conservatives but
preferred to side with liberal trolls over active *truly* conservative members
... they are the ones that chased me out of the group, too. I tried to blend in
at the GOP knitters group, but it wasn't a very active group, and I refused to
go back into the Conservative Knitters group because it had been made clear to
me that I just didn't belong there ... I guess I wasn't the right brand of
conservative for them. Y'see, I'm what I call a "triple-threat"
conservative ... I'm a political, fiscal and social conservative. Some people
are uncomfortable with that, and I let 'em be. But they didn't let me be, and
they didn't let EllieJane be, so she started up her new group and invited me
over to play.
Our new group (which later became The Bunker) was devoted to
supporters of John McCain in his (failed) bid for the presidency. Many of us
had supported others, but when it became apparent that McCain had the blessing
of the Republican "powers that be", we decided to do what we could to
support the man ... mostly because we knew what a disaster Barack Obama
could/would be, and it was apparent that the way was being made clear for
Obama....McCain was going to need all the help he could get.
In EllieJane's McCain group, we started getting other people
joining ... some who'd been dissatisfied with the Conservative Knitters, some
who enjoyed the GOP Knitters but were also looking for a more active group to
play in. Some members came to us who'd initially been Obama supporters ...
until they started to really *listen* to what he was saying ... some had been
Hillary Clinton supporters, but became dissatisfied with the Dems because they
treated her so but treated Obama as if he were (to quote AllyKatt) a 'special
snowflake'. MyDailyFiber quickly made a name for herself in our group and
endeared herself to all members not only with her wit, common sense and unique
perspective, but also her ability to churn our pro-McCain "Ravatars".
She also became the second Moderator pretty quickly, and was such a help to
EllieJane that I can't even describe it.
(For those unaware of "avatars", those are the
little pictures that often get associated with a username, so people can
connect a "face" with a "name" even though you're likely
using a nickname instead of your real name and most people don't put their real
faces out there for security and/or self-esteem reasons -- many use pictures of
our pets, a favorite TV character, a symbol, or something that means something
to us.)
When John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his choice for the VP
bid, we were *very* enthusiastic, and gained members in droves! Soon we became
a haven for over 600 members. We also became a convenient target for
"trolls" ... those who naturally disagreed with us, but who felt the
need to "educate" and "enlighten" us ... we poor,
unfortunate, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, McCain supporters ... we were
often painted with the broad brushes of fascism, Nazi-ism, neo-con-ism,
bigotry/racism, class-ism, and just about any other "ism" you could
name.
I looked long and hard at what my friends and I were tarred
with, but you see, I didn't think it could stick, because the "isms"
thrown at us seemed to me to be a classic case of psychological projection ...
in which the person hurling the invectives is doing the very action of which
they're accusing you ... except you're not the one engaged in the objectionable
action ... but they can't be honest and admit it's them doing it, so it must be
the horrible "other".
At one point, EllieJane had to go on vacation or some such
thing, and she asked me to step up and be one of the substitute moderators
while she was gone. She never removed me from Mod status, but I rarely got to
"see any action" ... the other moderators ranged from Eastern time to
Central time, and here I was out in the lovely Pacific North-Wet ... sometimes
it would be just TammyKnits and me keeping the board "active" at 8:30
and later (Pacific time) ... and we'd shout out to AllyKatt who would be up at
10:30 our time (12:30 hers) ... I still don't know how she could keep those
hours and function, but then again, I feel like I'm getting old.
Anyway, on to 'seeing action' ... As the campaign season
wore on, we got more and more troll activity. EJ, MDF, AllyKatt and the others
instituted the best possibly policy in dealing with trolls ... the theory is,
if someone comes into your living room and (pardon me) craps in the middle of
the floor, you don't just leave it there to stink up the place ... you clean it
up and move on. Likewise, our moderators simply deleted troll posts. They tried
not to engage trolls in any way ... just delete, ignore, and move on.
Trolls don't like this. They are special snowflakes and
mustn't be ignored when they so much with which to beat
you over the head enlighten and educate you. "Resistance is
futile," they seem to think. "You *will* be assimilated, whether you
agree with us or not, so just give in already!"
I tried to check in most mornings before work (yep, it caused
me to get there closer and closer to 8:00 instead of 7:45 as I normally did). I
often tried to check in during lunch (eating at my desk, ducking behind it if I
saw a client coming up the walk --- no, wait, we're closed at lunchtime outside
of tax season), and I spent many evening hours.
Because I'm on Pacific time, however, and the huge majority
of our members seemed to be from the other three time zones, by the time I
checked in at lunch, trolls had been taken care of, drama-poo had been dealt
with and cleaned up, and I got to see the aftermath.
As the election cycle came to a close, we got more and more
negative attention. Now let me set this straight....for the most part, our
members refrained from most profanity ... the majority of us don't care for it,
and our membership respected that. We were not, however, politically correct.
Political correctness is the anathema of free speech. We did NOT allow racism,
sexism, or what most people with common sense would consider hateful. We did,
however, allow our members to equate BHO with a socialist, as his own words and
actions had confirmed this to us. We did allow our members to speculate and
lament on the fact that BHO has spent in the realm of $1M in covering up
whether he's a natural-born citizen ... it would've cost less than $20 for a
duplicate of the "vault copy" of his birth certificate ... you can
figure that one out on your own, I'm sure. We did allow our members to be
sassy, sarcastic, and lean toward "snark" ... I'm sorry, but polite
drawing room conversations concerning "the weather and everyone's
health" (c'mon, what movie is that from?) just didn't suit a group geared
to discussing politics ... after all, in polite conversation don't you avoid
religion and politics?
As we got more and more unwanted attention from
"opposition groups" such as LSG & RR, we got unwarranted
"flags" on posts, claiming bigotry, racism, hate speech ... I saw the
posts that were flagged, and I saw the "reasons" for said flags ...
apart from a couple (mostly from new members who didn't "get" the
group yet and hadn't read our rules) they were spurious at best ... anything
truly flag-worthy was deleted and the member who'd posted it was "talked
to" by a moderator. We continually cautioned our members about
"feeding the trolls" we tried to self-censor as best we could without
stifling conversation and reasonable free speech. Many of us had left the
Conservative Knitters group under more and more stringent dictates of "you
can't say that", and we didn't want the same thing happening in the McCain
group.
Actually, we asked for help before the election was ever
over. Because of some of the vile and offensive pictures that showed up on
ravatars (boob fondling, crotch shots, nekkid parts ... and this on a site
where someone's children might walk up behind them at any moment, not to
mention the minor-age members, and see this stuff -- not a family friendly site
... oh and the language on some of the boards would make sailors and truck
drivers embarrassed!... but I digress) the site owner *finally* gave the
users tools to hide offensive ravatars, including simple hiding of the picture
or a "green" cover with which you could replace the ravatar of those
with whom you disagree (which we gave the term "disagreening"). During
the last two weeks of the election cycle, the owner actually took away rights
to click on "buttons" indicating "love",
"disagree", "funny", "educational" and
"interesting" because of the drama it caused ... we actually had
trolls pile on, clicking "funny" in droves, when a member talked
about her mother's death. Nice. Right.
And then Barack Hussein Obama was elected.
Yep, we lamented, cried, sighed, complained and shared with
our members. The same people who couldn't "get over it" when Bush won
two elections now screamed, cajoled, nagged and berated us to 'get over it,
already' and embrace Barack Obama. We wouldn't and continued to discuss amongst
ourselves our fears, concerns, and suspicions and decided that the group should
be renamed. (Well, McCain lost, so The McCain Ravelry didn't fit anymore, now
did it?)
We decided to "hunker down" and retreat to the
safety of the bunker, similar to what the president would do when faced with
danger. The McCain Ravelry was renamed "The Bunker".
... and the trolls came out to play.
"That's a Nazi reference" was the accusation ...
apparently these people didn't get out much or read much more than Mother
Jones, The Nation, The Rolling Stone or whatever communist rag is printed in
their local towns. They simply didn't get the idea that a "bunker" is
a place of safety.
Could we ever be left in peace? Nope! We were no longer
touting our support (albeit reluctant, in some cases) for John McCain, and
wished the trolls would just leave us alone. That's really all we wanted. We wanted
to be left alone to enjoy each other's like-minded company. We (and by the
collective "we", I mean the other moderators) begged help from
Ravelry's owner to keep the trolls at bay. We asked for tools to ban trolls who
spuriously flagged posts, or to at least restrict non-member use of the
buttons.
Nuthin' ... no help at all ... the site owner was getting
angrier and angrier at "the time he had to spend" on issues surrounding The Bunker ... little did
we know that the LSG & RR groups were going to him directly, complaining
about ever little perceived non-infraction, making his life hell. But *we* were
blamed for taking up his valuable time. We tried to remain calm, cool, and
collected when dealing with the site owner ... we were polite and diplomatic,
offering to help out as best we could. There were times, however, when we
moderators (in a moderator-only section of our group) would express our
disagreement for a decision or express offense at some of the unfair comments
that were made about us off the top of his head, many of which he apologized
for when he gave the issue more thought. For the most part, we were nothing but
conciliatory, trying to help keep things going smoothly in our group.
In January of this year, things started getting hairier and hairier
... there were times when I dreaded checking in at lunch time, dreading seeing
the number of PMs (private messages) which nearly always signaled some
troll-caused drama. Sometimes a few of the PMs would be from members who asked
me to clarify what was going on ... y'see, while the other Mods dealt with
trolls, I often got to be "mom" to some that trusted me ... and I got
to be "mom" when I saw statements by members that needed to be
modified. I'd PM the member and ask them to edit their posts and give reasons
why, including "PLEASE don't give them any ammunition to use against
us!" I also would publically remind members not to make blanket statements
against "all liberals" because several of our most treasured member
had been quite liberal at one time and still had liberal leanings, but that
we'd all come together out of concerns for more conservative values than what
Barack Obama espoused. Yep, no drama for me, but peace making ... works for me.
But because I missed the troll-post deletions I often wondered what had
happened, and sometimes felt like I wasn't a 'real' moderator. Oh well ...
enough about me.
In mid-February, after a particularly "dramatic"
couple of weeks, I signed on at lunch, not more than 20 minutes after the site
owner had given *one* moderator (AllyKatt, our most active moderator) notice
that The Bunker would be shut down in 24 hours and that those of us who'd been
moderators in The Bunker would no longer be allowed to Mod *any*
politically-themed group. He was done with us, tired of fighting with us and
those that simply couldn't let us alone, and was dispensing with the drama. Of
course, I'm paraphrasing ... but instead of blaming it on the content of the
group and our expressed opinions, he blamed it on the moderators, saying we didn't
take care of problems fast enough, allowed our members to use hate speech, etc.
(Explain to me how someone saying Sarah Palin should be
raped with a hockey stick and that President Bush and Vice President should be
shot, hung, or pushed over cliffs is *not* hate speech, but mentioning a scarf
Obama was wearing *was* hate speech ... because the individual who made the
comment about the scarf was from Mississippi!!! Let me be clear about this ...
we have many members from many varied ethic groups, and none of them complained
about racism or hate speech, and they *knew* they could take *anything* to the
moderators and listened to seriously...if they didn't have a problem with the
speech there, there *was* no problem with the speech there. But again, I digress...)
.......
Update: I received clarification of the "scarf incident" from the person who made the original comment:
To
clarify, I made the comment and it was NOT about a scarf Obama was
wearing. Obama was not mentioned or even alluded to, at all. It was
a reference to a thread in one of the "Big Six", entitled
"Inagural Scarves", on inauguration day. When I saw that
title, I mistakenly assumed it was about some sort of KAL [knit along] of scarves that
people were going to do during the day-long inauguration television
fest. That thread was, in fact, comments on some of the pretty
scarves that were televised on people at the inauguration -- Michelle O's
mother was one, I think. (I didn't open the thread until later to take a
look.) I didn't open any Big Six threads to read that day, because we
were all hunkering down, depressed, in the Bunker -- to console each
other. I didn't watch the inauguration, so I haven't a clue as to what
Obama or anyone wore -- scarf or no scarf.
While
talking in the Bunker I made the comment, and even prefaced it with the
clarification that it was HUMOR, saying something like, "On a
humorous note," at the beginning. Then I said I unbelievably saw a
thread title in the big six that said "Inaugural
Scarves". My comment was that we called them nooses". NooseSSSS... plural. The reference, which
obviously was lost on some people, was that WE were sick enough over his
election to hang ourselves. How can PLURAL nooses be construed as a
lynching threat on the president?
The
comment, which I now sorely regret (you have no idea!) has been so twisted
that I think our own Bunkermates forget that it originally was NO reference to
Obama or anything he was wearing. I kept my eyes and ears OFF
the inauguration that day, so I neither heard nor saw Obama.
Anyway, just wanted to clarify that to you. I'm
sure I'll be doing this sort of thing til the day I die...
....
So, we said our goodbyes, verbally hugged each other,
"friended" each other (that's the only way some less active members
realized something was up, when they received six to ten friend requests within
an hour's time), expressed our sadness (some expressed outrage ... and none too
kindly), and we Mods tried to keep things calm. Trolls came in to gloat,
gleefully poking at the open wound, expressing "the king is finally dead,
hurrah!" kind of sentiments you'd expect to have come from the peasants during
the French Revolution.
Why were we such a threat? Did we really worry them that
much? Were they so concerned that someone might actually look at current events
without looking through the liberal filter and maybe get an inkling that not
all's green in Oz? We had had several people who came in seriously looking to
understand where we came from ... and left with a new perspective to consider.
The majority of non-members came in with the threats of playground bullies ...
some came in with relief at finally finding a "safe haven on Ravelry"
where they could talk with like-minded ladies (mostly) without having to walk
on verbal eggshells for fear of getting piled on by the liberals on that board.
So ... our group got dissolved ... the Great Bunker Eviction
... some of us looked to other more conservative groups on the site and were
told in not so many words (and in some cases *in* so many words) that we and
our attitudes and expressions weren't wanted. Sometimes it was because the
"flavor" of the group tended toward the more genteel discussion and
expressions, which is fine and understandable (the Bunker had it's own flavor,
too) but sometimes it was expressed more as a concern that we'd bring the
trolls with us ... some of those trolls are cyber stalkers, don't ya know ...
and cause them to get shut down. Some of the members of the other boards didn't
want false rumors started about them (someone started a rumor that one of our
members had threatened the life of the site owners' dog ... which the site owner has confirmed to AllyKatt, one of our members, that said threat was actually a bogus rumor -- but he refuses to make that particular bit of information public "because the incident was on an off-site venue") and some were concerned
that they'd become the objects of scorn and threats (EllieJane, our group's
founder, received a threat against her children from someone who'd done their
research and found out where she lived).
MyDailyFiber had the forethought to start an off-site board
where we could go to express our more controversial opinions (read, troll
magnets, opinions not welcome by the liberal majority on Ravelry). She paid
for it out of her own funds. When it was mentioned to the site owner, he
expressed that he was glad we had someplace where we could express ourselves
without opposition groups getting involved. When we were Evicted, someone had
the grace to give me an invitation to join there.
We re-grouped and tried to figure out how we could gather on
Ravelry, hang out together and stay under the radar. Many/most made pledges to
stay away from *any* of the political groups.
AllyKatt made a group where we could discuss the read-along
of "Atlas Shrugged", which she had been recommending for some time,
and which I've heartily recommended here myself.
One member made a group called Dutch's Reading Room, which
was to be strictly a site where we could post links to articles on both a
national and state scale for things we found concerning ... and on which we
could read some of the great quotes made by Ronald "Dutch" Reagan.
One member made a group in which we expressed our
appreciation for The Noodle (a.k.a. KnittinNoodle, one of our sassiest and most
outspoken members).
Someone else (I think it was AllyKatt) made a group for fans
of Alfonzo Rachelle, a.k.a. Machosauce. She was told that she couldn't moderate
that group. It wasn't a political group. It's fans of a conservative
individual, but the site owner stripped her of her moderator status there, too.
What happened in these groups, you ask?'
The Conservative Knitters, GOP Knitters, Sarah Palin, Rush
Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity fan groups got a sudden uptick in troll activity,
which I assume died down when Bunker Babes forced themselves to sit on their hands
and *not* participate.
Lessee ... Dutch's Reading Room was mostly left alone,
'cause people didn't really express many opinions in there.
The Noodle group was immediately infiltrated by trolls who
couldn't leave well enough alone ... but "just happened" to find a
group filled with former Bunker Babes ... no, they don't stalk
conservatives/Bunker Babes, now do they?
The "Atlas Shrugged" discussion group,
"Galt's Gulch", was immediately infiltrated by trolls who just *had*
to become members in a group filled with Bunker Babes ... no, no stalking
there. AllyKatt had the presence of mind to lock the group, delete all the
troll posts and wait it out until she could figure out specific group
guidelines (rules). Only through direct negotiations was she able to keep her
moderator status on this group.
So, that pretty much brings us up to yesterday when I was
banned ... along with almost all the other Bunker Babes ... because many of us
had changed our usernames and avatars, we rarely knew when we were in the presence
of a "friend", so someone on the off-site board suggested we add a designation
to our ravatars so we'd recognize each other.
Within a week, we were booted. Some people got the
403-Forbidden screen, and others were taken to a screen that said "Your
account has been suspended until further notice. Contact
legal@ravelry.com." Later in the day, some of those initially suspended
had been further redirected to the 403-Forbidden screen. Personally, I'm
thinking that we'll all be permanently banned, and that being
"suspended" is only temporary until they can get everyone's accounts
permanently banned. The site owner cites this as his reasoning:
A group of users have been
organizing together on another website and visiting Ravelry directly from it,
disrupting normal site activities. All users of that particular site have had
their Ravelry accounts (including any duplicate accounts) suspended until
further notice. This is a serious action that we felt needed to be done to
protect the Ravelry community.
All inquiries can be directed to
legal@ravelry.com.
Yes, we've been gathering at another website, and yes, we
sometimes clicked a link to see what a member had taken issue with ... but
there have rarely been more than 20 Bunker Babes on our off-site board at any
one time. Even if those 20 people clicked on a given link, how could those 20
hits "disrupt" anything? Don't website owners normally *want* more
hits on their site, driving up their stats??
"This is a serious action that
we felt needed to be done to protect the Ravelry community."
From what??? From independent thought, from people who
refrain (for the most part) from the profanity, licentiousness, glee in
perversion that our "opposition" expressed??? Give .
Me . A . Freaking . Break!!!
The problem is that, while some of our members didn't get
banned, some innocents were swept up in this dragnet along with the rest of us.
It seems to have been people from whose computer a member might've logged onto
Ravelry. In some cases, it's a family member who's also been a
"Raveler" and shares a wireless hub on a home network, but has never
been to The Bunker. In some cases, it's been paying advertisers. In some cases
it's been designers who sell their fiber arts patterns. In some cases it's
grandmothers whose granddaughter was a Bunker Babe.
The site owner has prevented members from getting onto
Ravelry and deleting their personal information. In some cases, there were
purchases pending, and the seller has no idea if she will get the money. We're
talking about intellectual property being held hostage ... if it were a
conservative site that had done this to liberals, you *know* there would be
Hell to pay! There would be such a hue and cry that it would be all over the
Net and the Lamestream media.
The Hubby made a good observation ... E-Harmony.com was
forced to accommodate gays & lesbians that wanted to use the matching
service. Shouldn't a site like Ravelry.com try to remember the lessons learned
there. Yes, it's a free site, which constitutes "his sand box" ...
but if you're going to allow free speech, shouldn't *all* speech be acceptable,
not just that with which one agrees?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The site owner claims to have over 300K members on Ravelry
... of course, this doesn't account for duplicate accounts (which are
supposedly forbidden, but which are very prolific) or those accounts that have
gone inactive because the site owner refuses to delete them because he
"doesn't have the tools to do that" ... some of those inactive users
left because of disgust at the behavior and language exhibited ... some left
because the site just wasn't for them/wasn't a good fit ... but have the
membership numbers been changed to reflect this? I doubt it ... perhaps he's
hoping to sell the site to some investor when it "comes out of beta"
... would an investor want to buy a site with inflated member numbers? I don't
know that's the case, but if I were an investor or an advertiser, I'd look long and hard at
whether this was a good place for people to hang out. I'd hate to be an advertiser and suddenly not have access to the site.
Parents, take heed and protect your underage fiber
enthusiasts from what they will see on this site without warning. And if you
are interested in using Ravelry yourself, be aware that objectionable content
can/may/will pop with no warning whatsoever. If you're easily offended, this
site is not for you. If you don't mind nekkid/obscene yarn creations, foul
language, celebration of just about everything under the sun (and I mean
*everything*), then you're welcome to it. I won't be going back. There are
plenty of other places to find crochet patterns & supplies ... and I have
plenty of Bunker Babe friends who either dye and spin yarn or who have friends
that do. I'll be fine.
As you were ........
Other posts regarding the Banning of the Big Bad Bunker Babes are listed below (I forgot to write everyone's names down as I cut & pasted the blog addresses ... sorry, ladies!):
Our Side of the Story -- EllieJane
Apparently -- Kidyquat
More Ravelry Censorship -- KnittyHorse
Ravelry.com -- DogwoodDreams
Woo Hoo, I'm a Bad Person! -- Chrisknits
Well, This Is a New Experience for Me
Goodbye, My Friends
Suspended From Ravelry
Censorship in America -- Whimzee
Ravelry - Bren
Former Bunker Members Banned from Ravelry? -- YarnKandy
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